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【英语拼音】SWR vs. 100EZ Lessons

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发表于 2012-6-15 22:05:50 | 只看该作者
原帖由 瑜珈 于 2012-6-15 21:35 发表
你看到接下去的三行了吗?

即使是作为不规则的,它还是有内在的原因。

有的是因为单词的历史发展,有的是因为字母间的联系。


English words do not end with v."   

我只用这个解释 give, live, love。。。 为啥不发长元音,嗯。。。。
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发表于 2012-6-15 22:15:28 | 只看该作者

回复 #9 瑜珈 的帖子

不过”OhElizabeth"(写Old and Dirty guide 的那位)都说过:

SWR doesn't do decoding working explicitly,which some kids turned out to have issues with。。。。


我估计自己还是因为不很认同SWR的方法,同时又有自己认为更好的教材吧。

另外,我比较反感SWR作者那种太过执着,唯有她的东西真金那种口吻,呵呵

Phonics 就那点东西,拼写又有很多方法skin the cat, 最终殊途同归。。。

[ 本帖最后由 Ester 于 2012-6-15 23:05 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-15 22:26:29 | 只看该作者
P80 只是用那种方式帮助记忆拼写,并不是说明为什么   f 读/v/,而且也说明了在Paul Hanna的研究项目所用的 2万个单词里,仅此一处 f 读了/v/的音。 在过去,说不定它还曾经就是/f/音呢.

根据读音写,孩子也许会写成 ov ,所以才用“English words do not end with v."   来帮助孩子解释不可以写成是v,由于f 和 v 之间的某种关系,写为 f。
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发表于 2012-6-15 22:37:40 | 只看该作者
原帖由 瑜珈 于 2012-6-15 20:59 发表
不认同100EZ Lesson 是好教材,里面有不少的误导,相比较好言,还是  phonics pathways更好些,国内的星之升也好过它。


星之声没见过。

Phonics Pathways 跟 100EZ 的目标人群不一样。不完全具有可比性。只是国内的家长没有明白100EZ Lessons 是针对美国4岁左右还没开始自主阅读的孩子的教材。

100EZ Lessons 的作者 Siegfried Engelmann 是 Direct Instruction (DI)的创建者。DI-based 阅读教科书Open Court Reading 好于HM和SF教材。Engelmann 的东西还是很可信的。

[ 本帖最后由 Ester 于 2012-6-15 23:03 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-15 22:57:15 | 只看该作者
以上讨论内容,可以在这里进一步了解:

http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384618
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发表于 2012-6-15 23:00:53 | 只看该作者

回复 #5 瑜珈 的帖子

狗狗妈的BLOG,去瞟了一眼,感觉又是个为学英语走火入魔的娘。。。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-15 23:20:52 | 只看该作者

回复 #16 Ester 的帖子



...



不光是英语,还有好多好多。。。。。。。。呵呵,不知道有几样是孩子自己喜欢的。。。。。


自歪楼。。。。。。。。。

[ 本帖最后由 瑜珈 于 2012-6-15 23:22 编辑 ]
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发表于 2012-6-16 04:27:36 | 只看该作者
喜欢就某个问题深入讨论的帖子。希望能看到更多的讨论。谢谢
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-16 15:02:33 | 只看该作者

回复 #12 Ester 的帖子

没有感觉作者的口气有什么不妥,相反,我倒是读到不少别人写的成功的故事,比如下面这个故事:

Using SWR with an older student

My oldest son began his learning in a Christian schools.

From age 3 to 9 he attended pre-school followed by a Bible based Christian
Elementary school and then a Specialized Private school.
He was diagnosed with dyslexia at the age of 7 and a half. He had speech
therapy twice a week, a special classroom with just 3 other children. He also
received occupational therapy and had a reading and math specialist. I
partnered with his teachers and therapists and we all worked together in a
respectful and collaborative manner in the effort to help this little boy learn.

Despite all this intervention my son was not learning. A lot of money had been
invested and precious time lost.
I can remember his second grade teacher telling me I had to choose between a
Christian education and literacy.

After only 10 weeks in the specialized school and more of the same unsuccessful
approach, I felt strongly called to bring my son home. I felt I could do a
better job of teaching him than what I saw in the classroom.

Within 2 months of bringing him home I researched curriculums and found SWR.
We began at the beginning with List A.
I had to un-teach and re-teach. I taught cursive handwriting twice. When we
began, he could read in a labored manner from sight and tired quickly, he could
not spell, had illegible penmanship and had no composition skills. He would
turn 10 in spring.

From 2007 until present I have worked with my son using SWR. I would say his
learning began when we closed the school doors and opened our SWR books.

I have had the opportunity to meet mothers of children. who like my son,
struggled with learning across all areas.
I know, like myself, they have worked very hard to help their children learn.
I can remember my sons former teachers also working diligently. This inability
to make progress happens in both schooled and homeschooled situations alike.

It takes a proven method to help a subset of learners make forward progress and
SWR is that method.

My son has made a great deal of progress since we began. His spelling,
penmanship and composition all improved in the first school year. His ability
to read fluently did not and we began vision therapy. After six months of
vision therapy my son read fluently for the first time. He would turn 12 in a
few months. From that point on his reading took off.

He can read books on all topics and can read for hours, yet I can recall a time
when he was younger and threw a book across the room in frustration.

He continues to improve on his spelling mastery. His first spelling test
measured 2.2 Today it measures 6.0.
We are in List S 6. He turned 15 this spring.

In the last 2 years he has grown a great deal in maturity and Christian spirit.

He can now read scripture and participate in youth group at church. He told us
that he wishes to became a youth group leader for the younger boys next year.
For a period of time my son struggled with acceptance of who is was and like
many struggling learners had a lower level of confidence. One day when reading
scripture, he came to me and told me about his personal battle for control. He
told me of a verse that spoke to him. In a letter from Paul to the Romans, Paul
tells the Romans that it is hard for "humans" to accept the Lord. That week
"human" was one of our spelling words.

My son went on to tell me that he thought that being dyslexic was his main
challenge, but it was probably more of just being human. He then went on to
tell me, "you know mom, in the end you have to make the right choices."

I would encourage any family to consider using SWR for an older student.
Learning is not for a finite period between the ages of 5 and 18, it is for a
lifetime. Endorsed Trainer Jean Evans recently shared that if a parent can
teach SWR for even one year, she would recommend doing that. If a parent could
teach SWR for 2 years the impact would extremely beneficial.

I have asked questions, taken Training with Wanda, Jean Evans, Barbara Garrett
and with Jean a second time.
I have learned from Britta Mc Coll and implemented many of her notes for my
older and younger sons.
I have recently benefited from Heidi Thomas' dictation videos and her insight as
well. In fact it was Heidi's videos that spurred my need to improve on my
dictation.

SWR can be taught to many different learners and can be used in a variety of
ways. In our experience I feel comfortable saying that for a subset set of
learners like my son, SWR is vital. So if many methods were tried but SWR was
not, please try it. I think you will be very glad you did.

I know for me, there is not a day that goes by that I am not grateful for
discovering SWR and for the dedication and work of Wanda Sanseri.
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发表于 2012-6-16 20:41:42 | 只看该作者
原帖由 瑜珈 于 2012-6-16 15:02 发表
没有感觉作者的口气有什么不妥,相反,我倒是读到不少别人写的成功的故事,比如下面这个故事:
Using SWR with an older student
My oldest son began his learning in a Christian schools.


这位家长的孩子是 dyslexics, SWR 当然是她最好的选择之一。 Orton-Gillingham 系统里的方法最早就是针对dyslexic 孩子设计的。有成功地故事,也有不成功的故事。不能光看成功的故事,是吧。SWR 是个很好的教材,很多学校和家庭成功地使用这个教材多年,有忠实的最随着,这个我没有异议,否则我当年也不会买一套。

不过拼读是不是一定通过拼写学,这个还真不一定,这个取决于孩子个体的差异。(我是赞同一起学的,不过我们是通过练习题跟Phonics配套的形式完成的。)有的孩子fine motor skill 远远跟不上其阅读能力,对这种孩子,SWR 就肯定不是最适合的教材。而一个拼读教材可以解决问题,孩子可以迅速走上阅读的道路,拼写可以推后,对有些所谓的Natural speller, 拼写就不用单独学。

具体到SWR,我估计我最大的问题是多音节词的问题(我关心这个主要是因为俺娃小时候没有任何拼写问题,现在多音节词开始出问题),SWR 不教音节和音节划分规律(Please correct me if I am wrong here),Wise list 里的词音节是划分好的。因此我不知道这样以后遇到多音节词时,会不会有问题?

还有一个问题是schwa 音,SWR 的方法是学拼写时把非重读音节的 schwa 音夸大,这确实是个好方法,我经常教俺娃这么做。但这样做的前提是知道一个词正确的读音,否则会读走了样。比如:mountain, against 里的ai。这对母语人士不是问题,对中国家长可能是问题。

我准备把SWR教师手册好好看一遍,否则我一知半解的跟您讨论好像没在一个级别对话。
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