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【转帖】电视剧《红楼梦》关于林黛玉形象塑造的失误之处
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梅边吹笛儿
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2006-8-20 22:11
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【转帖】电视剧《红楼梦》关于林黛玉形象塑造的失误之处
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">林黛玉是曹雪芹笔下唯一一个有明显性格成长阶段的人物:小时候的她任性刁蛮、爱使小性,动不动就与宝玉吵嘴。这种小孩子式的吵嘴行为原本带着喜剧气氛。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">如以下这一段吵嘴情节:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">宝玉忙跟了来,问道:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">好好的又生气了?就是我说错了,你到底也还坐坐儿,和别人说笑一会子啊。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">林黛玉道:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">你管我呢!</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">宝玉笑道:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">我自然不敢管你,只是你自己糟蹋坏了身子呢。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">林黛玉道:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">我作践坏了身子,我死我的,与你何干!</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">宝玉道:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">何苦来,大正月里,死了活了的。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">林黛玉道:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">偏说死!我这会子就死!</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">” </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">这最末一句话,可真是不折不扣的小孩子耍无赖!想象中一个七、八、九岁,不超过</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">15</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">岁的小女孩鼓着腮帮子说这话,跟那些被宠坏了的刁蛮公主有什么两样?</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">然而电视剧大概已经将林黛玉定义为脱俗仙子或悲剧人物这样的调子,完全忽略了林黛玉的这种喜剧性和孩子气,整个气氛比较端凝、严肃。再加上演员是成人,让人误以为使性子是林黛玉终身定型的性格。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">此外,电视剧也过度夸大了她的小心眼。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">记得在林黛玉与</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">戏子</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">相像事件中,电视剧是这样表现的:湘云指出她与</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">戏子</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">相像,众人随即大笑,林黛玉立即起身,毫不给面子且极煞风景地当场飘然而去。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">似乎她跟众人都是格格不入般的孤立。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">而实际上,书中并无这样的描写,只有这么几句话:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">众人听了,留神细看,都笑起来了,说果然像她。一时散了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">” </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">显然电视剧自作主张干了一件画蛇添足的事!将林黛玉的脾气放得过大了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">这一事件之后的确是引发了一场争吵,但请大家注意,发脾气的并不只有黛玉一人,湘云也在发(而且是首先发作,黛玉偷听到宝玉、湘云二人对白),如果说在此环节上黛玉小心眼,则湘云不也是一样吗?但是几乎没有人将这样的性格与湘云联系起来。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">其次,黛玉在责骂宝玉不该朝湘云使眼色的话中提到:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">莫不是她和我顽,她就自轻自贱了?</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">至少说明她也知道湘云是在闹着</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">顽</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">,并无太多恶意,自己其实也并没有生出多大怨气。这点从她第二天马上没事人一样将宝玉的参禅文章给湘云同看同笑便可见一斑。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">说到底,那些小心眼不过都是小女孩子们闹着玩的、当不得真的乖僻把戏。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">这句话可以从曹雪芹笔下的一句话得到印证,</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">昨日所恼宝玉的心事早又丢开,只顾今日的事了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">气恼能够隔天就忘,她真有那么小心眼吗?不过是将对宝玉耍横当作习惯罢了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">一直为电视剧不能表现出人物年龄的成长而觉遗憾,尤其是</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">40</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">回后林黛玉发生了重要的性格改变无从体现:</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> 40</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">回后,她与宝玉的吵嘴行为几乎绝迹(当然在高鹗笔下却不一定)。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">而且,宝钗先喝一口的茶,她接过来一口饮干,叫人不用再倒;婆子送来燕窝,她能说出</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">痛赌一番</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">、</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">耽误发财</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">这些体贴的言语,并进行经济补偿。对宝玉,有了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">谢你一天几次来探</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">这样理性的感激之语;对湘云,也有了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">不肯负她豪兴</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">的迁就体贴。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">最后要说一说演员的问题。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"> </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">虽然</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">行动处似弱柳扶风</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">”</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">,举止上自然应优雅、斯文、娇弱,但戏谑、幽默、急智、慧诘、发怒、顽皮集于一身的极聪慧的林黛玉,怎么也该有一双灵动有生气的眼睛,来表达这多样的个性。</span><span lang="EN-US"></span>此帖由 梅边吹笛儿 在 2006-08-21 09:38 进行编辑...
作者:
行至水穷处
时间:
2006-8-21 02:50
喜欢看这些红楼的相关文章。。。谢谢分享。。。想起数次看红楼的好时光。。。
作者:
子云
时间:
2006-8-21 10:29
电视剧里成人话了,常让我忘了宝、黛也不过十五六岁而矣!
作者:
梅边吹笛儿
时间:
2006-8-21 10:44
初进贾府也不过6、7岁的样子。。。如果有童星加入就好了。听说台湾版的红楼梦,80集,有神话色彩,只是无缘目睹。据说,也是王熙凤塑造很成功。
作者:
行至水穷处
时间:
2006-8-21 11:20
王熙凤这样个性鲜明的人,一般都不难演的,难演的是那些配角,比如袭人,李纨,那些。虽然书里是10岁左右,但是拍成影视当然不能用童星啊,孩子恋爱,和我们时代不一样嘛。影视讲究的是普遍性,这个年龄问题倒是应该改的。但是影视没有书里那些婉转曲折的地方,很难让人回味太久。。。
作者:
细雨霏霏
时间:
2006-8-21 21:31
喜欢红楼梦,刚在卓越订了套脂砚斋重评石头记庚辰校本,正期待中,所以一看题目就进来了,等书到了再对照好好研读一下。
作者:
行至水穷处
时间:
2006-8-21 21:43
哈,又有一个红楼同好了!刚还在群里和梅边说起最近看的新书:舞动红楼梦,特价书,却有意料之外的收获,写得很好,图片也很美!关于红楼梦,关于红楼梦这个舞剧,很不错!
作者:
行至水穷处
时间:
2006-8-24 19:44
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[url=http://album.sina.com.cn/pic/448dab410200070n][/url]</div><div></div><div>林青霞版的红楼梦,在当年上映的时候就引起了极大争议。很多人质疑这部影片的内容单薄,但他们都忽略了一点:短短110分钟的电影,是无法完全再现这部伟大名著的全貌,但李翰祥对于作品精神的把握却是无需置疑的。名著的改编在于神而不在于细节,更重要的是林青霞和张艾嘉把宝黛之间的小儿女情怀演绎地让人心醉。我第一次看这部电影的时候,都差点哭了。事实上,年度十佳华语电影和香港票房700多万,这样的成绩已经是对这部电影最大的肯定了。30年前的700万,换成现在的钱,该是多少呢?</div><div></div><div>以下文字来自台湾:</div><div></div><div>到現在還忘不了林青霞扮演賈寶玉的那股子帥勁喔而當年因為張艾嘉一直予人一種洋派的感覺也很少人敢相信她能夠為林黛玉作代言者但事實卻不然很多女星都比較擅常去強調古典女子的美張艾嘉卻是紮實的把古典女子的知性.任性及韌性給演了出來她不會刻意去強調古典女性的那份弱質卻致力於對角色靈魂的忠實難怪二十年後的她會當導演並且得獎因為她看角色是看到骨子裡去而不會只看浮面與表徵劇中.猶記得當紫鵑暗示寶玉說林家人將要把林黛玉接回去了林青霞所飾演的寶玉癡癡呆呆的衝向紫鵑扯住她並以越劇風味的曲兒大聲唱道:要走咱們一塊走...當時我有一份很莫名的感動這份感動不是緣自那片段的劇情因為這個段子在原著中已然看過數十回了這份感動是緣自寶玉所呈現給觀眾的那份癡狂另外.全劇中有個段落讓我掉下淚來不是的黛玉葬花段子.不是黛玉絕塵而去的段子.也不是哭靈的段子而是當寶玉病時黛欲前往探視當時一個是病的神智不清一個是憂鬱的肝腸具痛二人面對面相視無語就這麼笑著.笑著.直笑出淚來...那氣氛.把那對璧人的無奈宿命盡釋無遺劇中人是笑的那樣的悽然與無助而坐在觀眾席當中的我竟也讓淚水給濛了眼眶這齣戲由於是大公司大成本的製作用的演員又全是當時一流的卡斯盡是港台兩地巨星的雲集每個藝人對於身段又都挺用心的作過一番學習與研究(這部份可以參詳[林青霞電影回顧系列])像飾演薛寶釵的李菁原本就是黃梅調演員導演對每個鏡頭的處理又十分的講究因此在視覺上除了唯美之外 .還有專業與精緻的感覺它似乎比我所看過的任何一個版本的紅樓夢更接近原著些雖然事隔二十年我相信在科技時代的今天再將這部片子重新拿出來看一遍它的精緻依舊是經得起考驗的當初這部片子和凌波及周明惠主演的[紅樓夢]同時推出兩公司為了宣傳.在報上打對台打的很利害而我兩個版本都看但最後教我悸動的卻是林青霞與張艾嘉合作的這一齣二十年前的林青霞曾是俊俏慧黠的賈寶玉二十年後她翻個身變成了東方不敗還是一樣的俊逸動人所以我一直很喜歡林青霞這[金玉良緣紅樓夢]這部電影這好像也是林青霞和張艾嘉唯一合作過的一部電影因位兩位演員的質感理念和方向都不太相同張艾嘉比較獨立.也較具創作力林青霞則是比較著重於自我的修飾與整理張艾嘉多半都走一些青春活潑女學生的戲路和她搭戲的也多半都是劉文正.石豐.恬妞..等當時較具青春氣息的演員林青霞則是一路走著脫離現實的小說線路扮演一些名作家筆下的絕世女子而和她搭戲的則一定是當時在金字塔最尖峰的男星如秦漢.秦祥林.鄧光榮..等等由於人為與環境的因素致使林青霞與張艾嘉這兩位傑出的女藝人一直都合作不到一塊因此金玉良緣紅樓夢這齣唯美的作品還真的很值得一看呢</div>
作者:
ealain
时间:
2006-8-24 21:56
没看过这部电影,让水M这帖说得,还真想找来看看.
作者:
子云
时间:
2006-8-25 08:36
曾在怀孕时在剧院里看过沪剧的<红楼梦>那唱腔,那服装,真的很美!尤其是宝玉哭灵的那段.后来在电视里再看时,感觉就差了很多.
作者:
tianqunping
时间:
2006-8-25 11:37
再看电视剧红楼梦,感觉拍的实在不怎么样
作者:
梅边吹笛儿
时间:
2006-8-26 21:41
林青霞、张艾嘉《金玉良缘红楼梦》
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