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标题: 从我个人的学英语的经历谈儿童背诵经典学英语 [打印本页]

作者: PMH 时间: 2010-2-23 12:58
标题: 从我个人的学英语的经历谈儿童背诵经典学英语
看到很多家长谈到背诵经典能否达到国内的英语考试要求的问题。
本人非英语专业，不过阅读能力比很多英语专业出身的强。当年4，6级考试也很轻松。
大学英语书没好好看过，单词没背过。语法更别提了，只大概浏览过一本语法书。
那些英语试题练习看着就讨厌，跟别提练了。
但我的英语听力，阅读都非常好，因为我听得多看的多。当时学英语时没有这些经典资料，只有课本上的文章，但我读的很熟。这些对语感的培养是非常重要的

让孩子背好经典，多听多看，你不需要新概念，一样可以考的很好

作者: mayavati 时间: 2010-2-23 18:40
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作者: 血脂高的人 时间: 2010-2-23 23:49
单词没猛背过就能轻松过六级?
汝乃真神人也

作者: 读经爸爸 时间: 2010-2-24 08:10
不可想象。

作者: PMH 时间: 2010-2-24 14:06
你们大家都是老师的乖学生吧，上课认真听讲，没逃课，认真做作业

前几天和去一个朋友家，他媳妇和我老婆都是大学教英语的，我们俩都觉得她们备课时间太多，其实英语不是老师教出来的，关键在自己多看多读多听多说。虽然两位老师觉得备课时必须的，但也承认学生的成绩与课堂关系不大。

学习语言，语感第一。现在很多家长然孩子学新概念，我媳妇还教过几个孩子。并不是老师觉得新概念多好，是家长不懂，只知道新概念。老师培训机构就投其所好。看到论坛里家长然孩子学新概念我实在是无语。

作者: 逸乐妈 时间: 2010-2-24 16:22
楼主是赞同背经典可以学好英语。但是你忽略了当年的你并没有在完全不理解英语的情况下学习的。你是字字句句都了解的情况下熟悉的情况下多读多听。这是有区别的。

作者: 逸乐妈 时间: 2010-2-24 16:24
所以目前许多的家长困HUO的是在不知其意下，能否掌握好英文。我想这没有人可以做证吧。毕竟时间还不长。没有大量的事实证明这些。

作者: myhoneyqiqi 时间: 2010-2-24 16:48
多谢分享！！！！！！！

作者: secretgarden114 时间: 2010-2-25 05:50

原帖由 PMH 于 2010-2-23 12:58 发表
看到很多家长谈到背诵经典能否达到国内的英语考试要求的问题。
本人非英语专业，不过阅读能力比很多英语专业出身的强。当年4，6级考试也很轻松。
大学英语书没好好看过，单词没背过。语法更别提了，只大概浏览 ...

楼主的题目是“从我个人的学英语的经历谈儿童背诵经典学英语 ”，但是我仔细看贴半天，并没有发现楼主背诵经典的经历和体会，那又何来题目所说的结论呢？楼主是不是应该多谈谈自己到底背诵了哪些经典，有何经验，这样大家才好分享。
国内的英语考试测试方法我们大家都了解，有规律可循。一般都是汉语授课，背单词，学语法，然后搞题海战术，短期内比较有效，我的英语就是这么被培训出来的，效果嘛，当然是不好喽。
不过，我儿子的英语学得还算不错，他没有背过英文经典作品，就是按照看、听、说、读、写的顺序来学的。泡儿童英语版块的人大部分这样辅导孩子。看，就是大量看英文动画；听，听故事；说，就是对话，互动；读，读教材，读作品；写，写单词，做练习，写小短文。这么学了两年，他现在看得懂英文动画，看电影也基本没问题；听简单的小说也没问题；说，有点弱，但是可以和外教聊天；读，可以读简单的章节小说，美国教材第三册也可以读；写，是弱项，因为我没有强调这一项的训练。
说到英文经典，我想等他看和听英文小说完全没有障碍了再进行，因为不具备基本的听力就去读经典，那和念咒没区别，也没意义。即使读经典，我也只想让他读“西方文化导读”里的作品，都是现代语言，好理解。莎翁等人的古代作品我不想让他读，因为对他来说，英文只是他的第三语言，如果将来不从事这个专业，他可能一辈子都不会了解那些作品的真正含义。当然，除非将来他自己想读，和经典相遇、相知也要讲机缘。

作者: secretgarden114 时间: 2010-2-25 05:56

原帖由 PMH 于 2010-2-24 14:06 发表
你们大家都是老师的乖学生吧，上课认真听讲，没逃课，认真做作业

前几天和去一个朋友家，他媳妇和我老婆都是大学教英语的，我们俩都觉得她们备课时间太多，其实英语不是老师教出来的，关键在自己多看多 ...

这一点我觉得也可以商榷一下。课堂英语也很重要，你没有基本的英语基础是不可能去多读的，字、词、句、章哪一项都不能忽视，打好基础知识才谈得上课外阅读，所以我觉得英语课和课外阅读都不可偏废，二者结合起来才能学好英语。
说到《新概念》，其实这套教材也没楼主说得那么不好，作为外语教材，它很经典，选材精当，文风典雅，配套练习非常完备，适合培训机构使用。楼主说的多看、多听，这些适合回家自己来做，上课的时候你总得跟着教材的进度来吧。所以学《新概念》和多听、多看完全是两码事，两者并不矛盾。

[ 本帖最后由 secretgarden114 于 2010-2-25 06:01 编辑 ]

作者: spaceship 时间: 2010-2-25 06:00
不可能大家都去试一种方法，还是本着一定的原则去学。

作者: SLCKY1018 时间: 2010-2-25 08:08
楼主现在再去过六级试试！

作者: paisley 时间: 2010-2-25 10:48
和secretgarden的意见一样，我看不出楼主读过哪些英文经典。你只说“当时学英语时没有这些经典资料，只有课本上的文章，但我读的很熟。” 莫非你的意思，英文课本就是经典？如果是这样，我想你可能发错版面了。这个读经论坛，谈论的是真正的经典、传世的经典。

还有，说新概念好与不好的，都写了自己的理由。也请您谈一谈吧，空口说就难以立论了。

作者: PMH 时间: 2010-2-25 12:58
先谈焦点问题，不懂的时候是否可以背诵。诸位难道让孩子背了一年还不教他背诵的文章汉语意思吗

如果你的孩子还没有学习到一年时间，那您着什么急呢。学语言想短时间看效果，唯神人能之。

这有一位英语讲演获奖者谈学英语的经历，希望给大家一点启发：
After I came back from the “21st century-Ericsson cup”7th national English Speaking competition with the award of the “Most Promising Speaker”, people kept asking me the same question over and over again. “How did you learn English, especially as a Non-English major?” Actually I believe that a hundred people would have a hundred of ways to learn English well. However, I would like to share my personal experience of English learning with those who have the enthusiasm for improve their English. Since I have set up three mirrors in my prepared speech in hoping that they would guide our young generation on the way to globalization, I would like to maintain three mirrors here to reflect how I learned English.

The first mirror, I assume, should reflect a steady foundation. This involves my first few years of English learning, which I consider as the key factor of all my achievements in the years to follow. At that time I entered the middle school attached to Xi’an Jiaoton University, I could only say my ABCs while others in my class could at least communicate in simple English. All the tales about the frightfulness of learning English then popped up in my mind and made me feel scared. Fortunately my first English teacher was very experienced in enlightening her students on English learning. She was a kind woman with a charming smile. But her homework assignments were not easy task: They required us to read after the tape for 20 times and recite the whole text. So it was quite natural that most of my classmates only recited the short essay within a short time and then went to play. But my fear of not being able to say a single word, made me sit down and immerse myself in what the teacher had asked me to do.

Before every English class we would have an on duty report to let the students say something according to what they had learned .My first presentation in class was to recite a dialogue. But to my great surprise, my teacher praised me for my pronunciation. I tittered because I had imitated the readers in the tape for at least 20 times until finally I couldn’t find any differences between our pronunciations. And I did not realize that this little prize given by my teacher began to influence my English learning magically.

I believe the first three years of English learning guaranteed the possibility of my further achievements because by means of imitation I built a foundation of good pronunciation and by means of reciting I restored the basic element of English language. On the whole, I would like to show my sincere thanks to my first English teachers. Yu Zhiling, who is now still caring for my growth.

The second mirror I would like to mention here reflects an effective way of English learning. I still stick to my point of view that different people have different techniques to learn English well. But there are some methods that seem to be obviously ineffective.

Let’s first have a look at the four important skills for students to master: reading, writing, listening and speaking. I have placed them in order of difficulty.

Reading is the easiest skill. It is also the most widely found English language skill amongst Chinese student, Writing is a more active skill than reading. However it is still a little easier than speaking, as there is plenty of time to choose the right words look in the dictionary for help, and make corrections. Listening is the third most important language skill to learn. It is far more difficult to listen and understand spoken English than to read English in a book or in a letter. Speaking English may be the most difficult of the four language skills. It is an active skill, and requires the student to put words together into sentences without much time to prepare, and with no time for correction, yet it is the most exciting skill to have, as it opens up wonderful channels of communication with people of others cultures and countries. But this is just what we lack.

More often than not I found some of the students who get high marks in their exams showed an inability to communicate with people in English. And this enabled me to understand deeper what my first English teacher has always emphasized: listening and speaking keeping ahead; reading and writing following up. I believe this is the rule of learning a language because we learn a certain language to communicate. As we conquered the most difficult parts: listening and speaking, we would easily master the writing and reading skills.

Then how can we make it? I have seen lots of diligent students in the early morning reading aloud their English texts without paying any attention to their nearly unacceptable pronunciation. I feel sorry for those students because their hard work deserves a much better English level if they improve their method of learning.

I found that my way of learning English that I formed from middle school still works today. By listening to tapes and imitating the speakers one can improve his pronunciation within a short time. By reciting classic essays one can enrich their language as well as enlarge their vocabulary. As a non-English major, I like to set aside a certain period of time for English learning everyday, usually an hour or at least half an hour. I utilize this precious time by listening to tapes and imitating their content and then reciting the short passages I like. To be frank, “Crazy English” has always been my favorite. This is definitely not intended to flatter. Instead of dividing my attention between too many materials, I’d rather concentrate on one particular resource at a time such as CE, not only because of its abundant content and native English, but also because of the benefits it has brought to me through intensive reading, listening and reciting, I believe that studying English by using these intensive methods will help you to get twice the result with half the effort.

作者: wcb123yf 时间: 2010-2-25 21:20
我赞同LZ的观点，我学英语的情况跟LZ差不多，不过我听力没有LZ好，我是语感很强的那种，从上了高中就没有好好背过单词，不过考试时读到那里就知道应该选哪个答案，问我为什么，我却说不出来。

作者: fu_manxing 时间: 2010-2-26 08:53
多谢分享。

作者: 果行育德 时间: 2010-2-26 17:11
也想请教paisley同样的问题，新概念究竟哪里不好？楼主能否针对这个指教一二？正准备这学期给侄儿学新概念呢，希望能得到您的指教，先谢过啦！

作者: xchyang88 时间: 2010-2-27 21:28
背诵经典可以先从中文的开始,然后再英文的诗歌,且开始不要强求快.
之后可以背经典散文,演讲词等.

新概念的文章可以用来学生词,语法,当然也可用来背诵.

总之,背诵经典与学新概念相结合,这样既可为将来理解能力强时积累素材,又可以不误生词语法的学习,可谓完美.

[ 本帖最后由 xchyang88 于 2010-2-27 13:31 编辑 ]

作者: PMH 时间: 2010-3-1 13:40
你们从哪里看出来我说新概念不好了，考阅读理解统统不及格

如果只希望孩子能读说英语就可以了，许多教材都可以。

如想达到更高的层次，请看看辜鸿铭先生的经历。
辜鸿铭在北京大学教英诗时，有学生向他请教掌握西方语言的妙法，他答曰：“先背熟一部名家著作做根基。”辜鸿铭曾说：“今人读英文十年，开目仅能阅报，伸纸仅能修函，皆由幼年读一猫一狗之式教科书，是以终其身只有小成。”

作者: 果行育德 时间: 2010-3-1 18:15

原帖由 PMH 于 2010-2-24 14:06 发表
并不是老师觉得新概念多好，是家长不懂，只知道新概念。老师培训机构就投其所好。看到论坛里家长然孩子学新概念我实在是无语。

首先，俺承认俺已经out很久了，所以觉得自己属于您指出的“不懂”那类家长。所以我向您请教呀。

其次，您虽没有直接指出新概念不好，不知上面这句话是什么意思。俺也许理解错误，认错。不过俺还是想诚恳请教您的“无语”是啥意思？是不是新概念真的不值得学？为什么？您能针对这个指点吗？谢谢！

如果说到辜鸿铭，辜氏小时候是在英国贵族学校念书，他的英文环境可以忽视吗？

作者: 果行育德 时间: 2010-3-2 21:49
PMH哥哥忙什么呢？我还苦苦等着回复呢。

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